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Cuilan · Mar 02, 2014, 02:52 AM // 02:52

There aren't players changing with anything. That's the point.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa, you don't seem to understand that foes also use the same skills players do. A nerf would likely be a nerf for them, too. You're also the only person in this thread that cares greatly about PvX.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 02, 2014, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

There aren't players changing with anything. That's the point.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa, you don't seem to understand that foes also use the same skills players do. A nerf would likely be a nerf for them, too. You're also the only person in this thread that cares greatly about PvX.

i doubt it, most people i've seen in GW use pvx (copy-paste or a small editing with that copy-paste)

only cuz many use pvx, others think SF is overpowered, while if you REALLY make own builds, you cant use that skill well

i bet those who "complain" about SF being OP, are the ones that dont want those who use that BUILD (not just that skill) to solo stuff, and most likely use pvx all time themselves

thats why i cant see SF being OP, cuz it doesnt fit in any builds i try creating
but why nerf many skills which are used in solo/farm/etc builds, while people who play NORMALLY (especially in pve) use them for normal purpose

why destroying skills which are used by people who copy-paste pvx, while it ALSO can harm people who create own builds?

and another one would be:
why would anet destroy skills which are used for farming, while people enjoy it alot?
i mean, its not like GW would get much balancing, so if they'd nerf stuff, they most likely wont make up with it by making some sort of balance

example? smiter's boon (pvp), i heard noone in pvp (even when it was more alive) use that skill anymore

so the reason i'm worried about them destroying pvx builds, is cuz i'm afraid they wont just harm the pvx stuff, but the skills used in any build

the good skills, which people call OP, are most likely also used in normal builds, and should they kill off any pvx(farm/solo) build they see, then all those normal builds suffer too
and isnt GW built around building your characters? (and heroes now)

it doesnt destroy the game itself (like people getting ecto's for each kill in UW or such.... even less bad stuff), so why "fix" it for the ones still playing the game, and enjoying that mostly?

i cant see even 1 reason why they should just nerf many skills used in pvx builds
i dont care sh** for pvx, but some skills are being used by me in my own builds

why not adding some kind of monster skill (skill type "skill") in UW which takes away all enchantments and stances from players? that would be MUCH better than killing skills which others can use in non-farm builds

but even then, would that do any good to the smaller community GW has left? years ago it might've done not much bad to most players, but if we only have players left nowadays who only do sc's and farms and such, nerfing those skills, would take away the fun for many of them, and the community would get even smaller

i dont like farming or speedclearing at all, but i DO care about the people who enjoy that AND who could help others, or join them with normal stuff

i hate elitists (the kind of people that say they achieved something with pvx stuff), but sad truth is, alot of them can be nice enough to help when someone needs help, too
even if its just showing off how good they are (had that alot before, but still got my things done)

me: can anyone help with (whatever it was)
elitist: thats piece of cake, but ok, i'll help

*done

me: heh, he likes to call me bad, but at least i got this done

Cuilan · Mar 02, 2014, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Here's the thing -> Nobody in this thread wants or suggested any skills to be destroyed.

You do realize people share builds on forums and in-game based on what they think works, right? Nothing to do with PvX, but you do care about PvX. You talk about it in nearly all your posts in this thread. The builds on the site aren't perfect and people often eventually move on from those builds or tweak them. You're just making stuff up bashing the site and PvX has Shadow Form builds.

The rational solution is to make skills roughly more useful to each other (buffs and nerfs), but you want to super buff hundreds of skill recklessly because apparently balance doesn't matter in PvE. Except PvE only skills skill buffs will foes will be stronger in hard mode.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 03, 2014, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Here's the thing -> Nobody in this thread wants or suggested any skills to be destroyed.

You do realize people share builds on forums and in-game based on what they think works, right? Nothing to do with PvX, but you do care about PvX. You talk about it in nearly all your posts in this thread. The builds on the site aren't perfect and people often eventually move on from those builds or tweak them. You're just making stuff up bashing the site and PvX has Shadow Form builds.

The rational solution is to make skills roughly more useful to each other (buffs and nerfs), but you want to super buff hundreds of skill recklessly because apparently balance doesn't matter in PvE. Except PvE only skills skill buffs will foes will be stronger in hard mode.

fine, lets call it "pvx way" then, which means they copy other builds and only do that
and since like 90%+ of GW does that, its bad to nerf such nowadays
AND since some skills are useful in other builds, anet shouldnt nerf em for everyone like that either

i dont remember well, but saw many skills i used go down badly in normal builds cuz of 90%+ of GW using it as farm or whatever build all the time

if you know what i mean, dont nitpick every single word

i hope you know what i mean this time..... (off to bed)

Cuilan · Mar 03, 2014, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Your reasoning of copying builds isn't a reason not to nerf. There's no such thing as PvX-way since people naturally want to try things and improve. You're saying that's bad? How is that not snobby?

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 03, 2014, 07:52 AM // 07:52

i CALL it pvx way, to make clear its just being copy-pasted
and snobby to say that its just stupid to nerf skills which arent being used by those who make OWN builds, in other words, not copy-pasting AT ALL

how come that you say that people wanna try stuff, while i only see same builds over and over, just with other variations of it, but still the same?

i make my own builds from scratch, just looking at what elites there are, and either building around it, or just making it multi functional

(like they did with ineptitude, which has a few interrupt skills, and a few skills to block (not blocking mechanic) enemies, except i dont use that skill, as i think clumsiness by itself does great already)

also, i never said copy-paste is bad, it'd just be bad if they nerf skills BECAUSE people do that

i bet if people wouldnt show each other's builds, discord wouldnt be half as popular
now people brainlessly copy-paste those builds.... and to nerf if for that only, no thx

Bristlebane · Mar 03, 2014, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I don't even know why you two argue anymore. The chance of buffs or nerfs are next to none.

Cuilan · Mar 03, 2014, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

I don't even know why you two argue anymore. The chance of buffs or nerfs are next to none.

But there's still a chance! Anyway, there's not much else interesting to discuss at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

i CALL it pvx way, to make clear its just being copy-pasted
and snobby to say that its just stupid to nerf skills which arent being used by those who make OWN builds, in other words, not copy-pasting AT ALL

i make my own builds from scratch, just looking at what elites there are, and either building around it, or just making it multi functional

So people that make their own builds are superior. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

how come that you say that people wanna try stuff, while i only see same builds over and over, just with other variations of it, but still the same?

Maybe because people aren't perfect. Or they are aware of what the better or over-powered builds are. That's kinda why people suggest nerfs so more skills are on par with each other. It's funny how you complain about nerfs but then also don't like seeing the same builds.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

i bet if people wouldnt show each other's builds, discord wouldnt be half as popular
now people brainlessly copy-paste those builds.... and to nerf if for that only, no thx

Discord isn't very good to be nerfed and there were people looking for builds before build template sharing became big.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 03, 2014, 06:13 PM // 18:13

at the line with *snobby* in it, i meant to ask that
so: me snobby if i say its just cheap to copy-paste all the time?

also, nerfs will not get rid of copy-paste, but piss off people alot more like they already did, so people who actually take the time to make their OWN builds will suffer cuz of those who keep brainless copying..... sad to be on that side

and you should know that discord is 1 of the examples of copy-paste, dont play dumb

as for you Bristlebane...... you're right, i tried talking sense into those copy-pasters, but all i got is "well, people still easily complete the game with them" while on the other hand, they ALSO complain about the builds they have used being overpowered, AFTER they copy-pasted them to complete GW..... also bad to be on that side

if you think you're done with GW, dont complain about you having done all in GW, just go move on and play other games, search to find harder ones, for YOU

Cuilan · Mar 03, 2014, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I haven't suggested that nerfs would get rid of copying builds. And yes, thinking you're better than players that look for other people's builds for ideas and as a starting point is snobby.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 04, 2014, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

I haven't suggested that nerfs would get rid of copying builds. And yes, thinking you're better than players that look for other people's builds for ideas and as a starting point is snobby.

i dont think i AM better, i just think its a better way for me to enjoy the game... and many others do that, except the current community makes em copy paste, cuz not many in GW will help with "easy stuff anymore"

so let us, the ones who DO try new stuff on our own, enjoy the skills in good state (should be directed to anet)

as far as i see, most skills are based on copy-paste builds, so if they nerf more, we wont have many good skills left

and again: shadow form on its own isnt much, its the build around it, so let it be

now i'm gonna enjoy the non-nerfed skills in GW, have fun all

Cuilan · Mar 05, 2014, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Nerfs would make other skills to good because the meta has changed. That means skills that aren't as good become good from the nerfs. A nerf for players is a nerf for foes in PvE (as I said several times). Do you understand that?

All skills are builds around it because skill-bars are eight skills together.

You don't get it. You keep thinking that nerfing means making skills bad.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 07, 2014, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Nerfs would make other skills to good because the meta has changed. That means skills that aren't as good become good from the nerfs. A nerf for players is a nerf for foes in PvE (as I said several times). Do you understand that?

All skills are builds around it because skill-bars are eight skills together.

You don't get it. You keep thinking that nerfing means making skills bad.

bolded a weird word, which we dont need

remember that foes can have more than 1 elite and have more health, if i'm right, and they can get higher attribute ranks

nerfing skills cuz of that stupid "meta" will not only get the popular skills (basically what meta means), but also skills you might wanana try to use (maybe not YOU, but others do)

dont think about meta stuff, think about those who actually put efford in their OWN builds

anyway, if anet is smart enough NOT to harm their customers, they wont listen to the "nerf callers".... and they have done a nice job lately (even when they watched GW more than they do now)

Cuilan · Mar 07, 2014, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Number of elites and attributes is irrelevant. It would still be a nerf for them. Nerfing stronger skills makes them on par with the skills players may want to use. How is having a bigger pool of skills that are good compared to each other bad? You want more good skills and nerfing is one of the ways of making more skills useful.

I know this is a flawed example, but:

Skill A does 2000 damage and skill B does 100 damage, but the average skill does 90. Making A near 90-100 is bad?

HigherMinion · Jun 05, 2014, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

Remove some of the 'target other' requirements of which skills? I can't think of any or why.

Infuse Health, of course.